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Someone Knows Something, Season 1 -- The Family EPISODE TRANSCRIPT VOICE 1: There’s evil living here. ANNOUNCER: From executive producer Jordan Peele. VOICE 3: I think there's Nazis living in America, and someone out there is taking them out. [Music] ANNOUNCER: Now. VOICE 4: You put together a group of Nazi hunters? ANNOUNCER: Revenge is righteous. [Music] ANNOUNCER: Al Pacino in his first television series. VOICE 5: Have you had enough? Because there’s more. [Music] ANNOUNCER: Watch the Amazon original series, “Hunters”. New series, watch now. Only on Amazon Prime Video. [Music] ANNOUNCER: This is a CBC Podcast. VOICE 1: You're listening to someone knows something from CBC Radio. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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In 1972, five-year-old Adrien McNaughton vanished while on a fishing trip in Eastern Ontario. Documentarian David Ridgen goes back to the small town he grew up in searching for answers. [Birds cawing] [Knocking] MURRAY: Come in! RIDGEN: Hello. How are you? MURRAY: Not too bad. RIDGEN: Hi. Nice to meet you. BARBARA: Nice to meet you, too, David. RIDGEN: Oh, I know you guys. I've seen you. BARBARA: Yeah, and I worked with your mom for many years... RIDGEN: Solving cold cases, or as I call them, so-called cold cases, is something we're good at and something we're not good at. And when I say “we”, I mean “we” because I think that we all think that we can solve them. It's natural. We tend to impose order where there is none, so that any puzzle has a solution. We try to resolve chaos. What I have is another microphone that I would like to put on Murray. So, before we start can I do that? BARBARA: I guess so, eh. RIDGEN: Investigators are compelled by time and budget pressures to follow the strongest impulse, because it's less risky and cheaper. But sometimes the strongest force in any investigation can be its weakest point. [Music] MURRAY: Well, I can't tell you very much because I just don’t remember a whole lot of...back then. And Adrien was a vocal boy? Like, he could speak, he was not mute, he was able to talk and scream and yell. MURRAY: Oh, he was quite normal, as far as that goes. Quite normal little five-and-a-half-year-old. Real busy-go lad. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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He was a little guy, shy little guy. RIDGEN: Ruth McCue is a McNaughton family friend. RUTH: He couldn't tie his shoes. He was only five. So, he would have lost his shoes in that bush, it was very thick. Bad things happen to little boys, sometimes. And that's what we figured happened because there was just no sign of anything, anywhere. And there had to have been. [Music] RIDGEN: Lee McNaughton is Adrien's eldest brother. LEE: Being a nine-year-old, I wasn't very reflective. People would ask me, oh, your brother, lost. How does that make you feel? My gut would sink when someone would ask me, because my brother had disappeared. An utter mystery. No idea what happened. [Music] RIDGEN: It's because we're fallible, or I am, anyway. Sometimes I imagine that I'm in a screenplay because it makes things easier to take. Let me just record a bit of this sound here. We won’t have to stick around too long. And it's in moments of weakness That we're prone to point fingers MURRAY: Had a lot of people say a lot of stories that wasn't true. RIDGEN: MURRAY: McNaughton, Adrien's father. MURRAY: People imagined that I'd been in an institution, mental institution just sitting there. But that was not true. RIDGEN: So, what you're saying is people might have thought you were responsible. MURRAY: Oh yes. RIDGEN: That's gotta be pretty hard to take. MURRAY: Yeah. Sure was. Still-- still bothers a person a bit. BARBARA: The stories that went about us were just wild. That none of the children belonged to Murray. RUTH: Well, a lot of people blamed Murray for it. Yeah, I remember one was MURRAY: had just got out of jail and he'd murdered them. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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BARBARA: I couldn't believe that. I just could not believe it. RIDGEN: Barb McNaughton used to nurse with my mom at the Arnprior hospital. I'm sitting at her place with her husband, Murray It's open concept with a big kitchen and a newer construction because their previous house burnt down, and with it, virtually all their mementos of Adrien's life. Barb’s just come through some severe health challenges and is resting in a large mechanical chair that sounds like a garage door opening when it moves, and she adjusts it often to find a comfortable position for the memory she's confronting. She smiles when she talks, even when describing the worst and it’s an optimism that must have carried her through many storms. BARBARA: Things have run through my mind. Could it have been... When you hear today of the sexual predators, could someone have taken him for that reason? He was a handsome little boy and I've thought of that. You know, Murray doesn't think that, but I don't know. I would pray that he wasn't abused or tortured or anything like that, you know? But if we just knew-- even if it was something like that, if we just knew. I have prayed that before I go to be with my Father in heaven, that I will know. [Music] RIDGEN: But saying all that, we will also find killers. We will find them by comparing the geography of a case to the way a bumblebee does its flowers. We will find them by using x-rays and thermal scans and DNA and-- and we’ll find them, frankly, by simply looking back at the case and going through it. So, putting chaos in order has its place. And often, everyone knows something. [Heartbeat thumping] RIDGEN: And for sure, someone knows something. VOICE 2: There was nothing ever found. Not a jacket, not a shoe, not a shoe loose. Nothing. It really upset me. I would like to know what happened to that little guy. VOICE 3: There is something not reasonable in that case. I think somebody is involved in foul play. The father was a likely suspect. He turned his back for 15 minutes, never saw the child after that. And that's a bundle of crap. LEE: We'd been living there a number of years and my parents are still there. They’re long time Arnprior people and so people will know that, oh, they lost a child. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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That-- that will be just part of the mythology of a town. [Music] RIDGEN: The first time I ever heard about someone being missing, I was four years old and living in the Ottawa Valley in Eastern Ontario. It's a place where everyone talks with a bit of an accent, a combination Irish-Scottish and something else, I think. And when I go back there, I always slip into and indulge in a bit of the twang. There was logging in the valley back in those days, white pine mostly. And I used to run on the booms with my friends in the Ottawa River. But there's none of that there now, boom and then bust. But it's a beautiful spot, surrounded by a great rugged wilderness. And it was into that that Adrien McNaughton disappeared when he was five years old. He was small for his age, hair more white than blonde. And just a year older than me. BARBARA: He was our child and he was a handsome little boy. Big brown eyes and blond hair. He was just beautiful. Murray used to call him his little-- his pal, and he’d get up beside Murray and, you know-MURRAY: I’d say, “You back again?” Teasing him. And his hair was white. [Music] SHONTELLE: I remember how cuddly he was, and how excited she'd be for Mum to come home in the morning. And sometimes he’d crawl in with me, waiting for Mum. I remember that. Like, I always felt like he was my shadow. BARBARA: I don't dwell all the time on it. I never wanted my friends to think I was looking for sympathy. So, I didn't bring it up a lot. RIDGEN: We haven't talked about that much at all. So why do you think that is? I mean, other than the obvious reasons. LEE: Well, there's the pain of it but it's also, in many ways it's-- it's done. [Music] RIDGEN: I never knew Adrien, but I moved into the area with my family shortly after he disappeared on June 12th, 1972, while he was on a fishing trip. And he was from Arnprior, that was my town.

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A place where people were concerned about getting their cat’s licensed but not their guns. And it's always had this kind of frontier feel to me, isolated in its geography and its own particular sense of destiny. [Vehicle starting] RIDGEN: Adrien's is a case that's hung over the area like a dark mass ever since. I must have absorbed the case as if by osmosis, because I can't remember people talking about it at the time. But I remember the fear and the basic detail. A little boy out there, somewhere. Like me. [Ticking] MURRAY: I've collected clocks for 20 years. And repaired them and got them running. BARBARA: We built that one. MURRAY: I put that together out of some parts. RIDGEN: I’m just gonna record your clock. [Commotion] BARBARA: David? RIDGEN: Yep? BARBARA: Feel free to use the washroom before you leave. RIDGEN: Oh, okay, great. I think I’m okay. [Music] RIDGEN: But Adrien's disappearance is one that the locals have talked about and wondered about. Even people who weren't alive at the time have been raised with an awareness of this case, organizing themselves unconsciously around it like an unchanging contour that you can't help but go around because going over it's too damn hard. And very few people in this town of now close to 8,000 were unaffected. My friends, my family. So, I'm starting here. VOICE 1: There’s evil living here. VOICE 2: From executive producer Jordan Peele. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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VOICE 3: I think there's Nazis living in America, and someone out there is taking them out. [Music] VOICE 2: Now. VOICE 4: You put together a group of Nazi hunters? VOICE 2: Revenge is righteous. [Music] VOICE 2: Al Pacino in his first television series. VOICE 5: Have you had enough? Because there’s more. [Music] VOICE 2: Watch the Amazon original series, “Hunters”. New series, watch now. Only on Amazon Prime Video. RIDGEN: It's mysterious and it's perplexing, and my hair is standing on end right now just thinking about where we're going. Just tell me what we're doing here. MURRAY: We're turning in the road to Holmes Lake. RIDGEN: Adrien's father, MURRAY: McNaughton, is driving this truck we're in. It's packed with tools and the odds and ends of someone mechanically minded. Someone who instinctively collects things, saving them for unknown future projects. MURRAY: is a short man of few words, now 83 years old and much slower. And he was with Adrien the day he disappeared but has almost never spoken about it since. His daughter, Shontelle, has come along too. Shontelle McNaughton was only two on the day her brother disappeared and stayed home with her mother, Barbara. Today, she's decided to come along for the first time to see the scene with her dad. She's calm and thoughtful, shorter in stature, priding herself on a daily workout regimen. And like the rest of the family, seems suddenly stricken when confronted with a moment of discussing Adrien's case.

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SHONTELLE: I don't remember him at all. I feel like I was robbed. I don't have any memories of him. [Breathes deeply] [whispering] Sorry. I just... I don't remember. I hear the stories, and it makes me think I have a memory, but I don't. There’s nothing at all that even-- I see the picture of him, but that's the only thing I know of him, is a picture. I do feel like I have a phantom sibling...somewhere. RIDGEN: So, what do you think about, Shontelle, about coming back here. Coming here. SHONTELLE: Um, I don't know. It's-- like I say, I don't have much memory of any of it, so... Don't really have a lot of thoughts on it, to be honest. Not at the moment anyway. Might be different once we get there. RIDGEN: But Lee McNaughton was at Holmes Lake that day. Adrien's eldest brother, Lee was nine years old at the time and he's now an Anglican priest. [Knocking] LEE: Hi. RIDGEN: Hi. LEE: Come on in. RIDGEN: How are you? Nice to see you. Oh, you look like your dad. LEE: People say it's my mother. RIDGEN: He looks like his father, Murray, except four times the size. His hallway is lined with floor to ceiling bookshelves and later, he quotes Dostoyevsky as perfectly as I've ever heard it. Before we begin our interview, we talk for a while about why I'm doing this podcast, and...it gives me a chance to go back over the reasons for it myself. I try to explain that I'm not a media weasel looking to dig a hole in his family. And I think he believes me. LEE: Some would say, from a Catholic perspective, natural law says that if someone has done something horrible like that we need to be found out, and that's why we like murder mysteries. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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We want something solved because there is truth in the world. And so, someone did it or someone didn't do it. We want the truth to come out. RIDGEN: Back on the winding, beautiful Calabogie road, we've just passed a dirt smudge near some power lines. Murray slows down and seems disappointed. MURRAY: And there’s the power line. Oh, gonna have to turn around. I missed a turn. As you can see, it's a while since I've been here. RIDGEN: Wonder even if he tried, like, how far a 5-year-old guy like Adrien could have gotten in a ground like this, you know? MURRAY: Yeah. RIDGEN: It's a surprisingly small lake. Somehow, I had imagined something much larger. And you can see most of it from any place on the shoreline. But the area around it, I suspect, holds both the key and the lock to the case. We've apparently parked in the place where Murray left his vehicle 43 years earlier. From there, we make our way along a sublime pine needle path, with red squirrel and Canadian Shield accompaniment. MURRAY: Little farther than I thought. RIDGEN: Murray moves slowly and with effort. I think he's anxious to get this over with. It's been tough on him and his family. Especially so, because as any victim's family member will tell you, the first order of business in any investigation is to rule out those very family members as the perpetrators. [Music] MURRAY: That’s where we were fishing, right along there. Right at that tree, that was the last time I saw Adrien. RIDGEN: He was that close. MURRAY: He— [Laboured breathing]

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--said he didn't want to fish anymore, so I went over and got the rod from him and he walked up there. RIDGEN: I see. MURRAY: And I didn't-I didn’t see how far he went. And I think he went that way. RIDGEN: You think he went that way? MURRAY: I think so. I don't know. RIDGEN: What makes you think he went north? MURRAY: Well... RIDGEN: As MURRAY: tells his version of the story, I watch Shontelle slip into a fugue state in the background. It seems to suddenly have become hard for her to breathe. [Music] RIDGEN: Shontelle, what do you think being here? How does it make you feel, at the site? I mean— SHONTELLE: It is weird. Now, being out here and after you asked me earlier, just driving in, looking around, thinking...he could still be out here somewhere. That is possible, anything's possible. MURRAY: Not in the immediate vicinity, I don’t think. SHONTELLE: No, but it's a big area, and it's a-- there’s a lot of brush. MURRAY: Yeah. SHONTELLE: Just when I went back to get your camera and came back, I walked right past the path. I’m like, wait, is that where I'm supposed to go? Like, two seconds and I had turned around and...wow. Does give you a bit of a strange feeling in the pit of your stomach. MURRAY: When he disappeared, that stopped all the fishing. The kids chattering, and I was fishing right here. Fishing for-- for speckled trout. But I walked away over the end of the lake with the kids yelling. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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I had to come back and tell them to stop the yelling because it echoes around and sounds like wild animals. RIDGEN: Let me just try to say hello here and see if there's an echo. [Shouting] Hello! [Echoing] RIDGEN: Substantial echo. [MURRAY: chuckles] MURRAY: Yeah. RIDGEN: Hello! [Echoing] RIDGEN: Hello! MURRAY: Sounds over to the west, like it did before. RIDGEN: Hello! Hello! MURRAY: Way over to the west. RIDGEN: Could you tell in any way where I was there? SHONTELLE: Sounds like it... VOICE 4: Your documentary, I hope it works. I really do. But if it doesn't turn out, that's not going to surprise me. It, you know-- I would have assumed if Adrien was going to show up, he would have showed up by now. But because it's been so long...unless some one person who knows exactly what happened, and their conscience has weighed on them, unless they themselves say, “I know.” And come forward and say, I suspect we're not going to know. And if there is that person, look into your heart and know that there's a family that has, for countless years and over a generation now, wants to know where their son and brother is gone. And if anyone knows, please, say something. RIDGEN: How’d that make you feel, going back there? MURRAY: Didn't bother me. No. Not for this case, anyway. Just another day. You might as well turn that off now. I'm done. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sks/sks-transcripts/transcript-someone-knows-something-season-1-ep-1-1.5546133

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RIDGEN: Okay. It was a long day for Murray. Then, and now. And I know I've hit he and his family hard with my presence and my questions. And predictably, I feel like shit for it. But there's new information. Murray said that there was a second dad out there on the day Adrien disappeared. A fishing buddy named Donnie. And he's never been reported about before, I'm certain. I wonder why. I do like trying to figure it all out. The process of it. It's a kind of intoxication to find out who did it. Who might have done it? What happened. And I think it's also a kind of arrogance that I bring to these cases where I actually believe that I can put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Instead, I should be wondering what the hell a “2” is anyway. A symbol for a number. The sy...