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Week 3: Delian League by Erin Morris (Instructor) - Tuesday, 28 January 2020, 12:18 PM Number of replies: 92 Explain how successful the Delian League was. ----Before beginning on this discussion, please review the guidelines for discussions in this class, which are located in the announcements area and can also be accessed at https://www.smore.com/2dm96. 39 words PermalinkReply

In reply to Erin Morris (Instructor) Re: Week 3: Delian League by Shahir Aslam - Friday, 14 February 2020, 11:44 PM From history we can see that the Delian League was successful in their formation. It was formed in 478 BC and contained an alliance of over 300 cities forming into the Athenian empire. (Cartwright, 2019). Having learnt a lesson, at a big price, during the Ionian Revolt, the only best course of action for the Greeks was to fortify themselves. Hence, the Delian League was established. The Persians had already taken control over the Ionian Greeks and the islands in the Aegean were constantly under hostility. Through the formidable power of the Delian League the Persians were disarmed in their area of authority and subjected to the authority of Athens.

The league had been proven as a huge advantage over the Persians. Its intention was to liberate eastern Greek cities from Persian rule and further create the opportunity to register victory in the area of military administration and control. This was seen as stated, “Within a few years, the Delian League controlled virtually all the Greeks in the islands and coastal regions of the Aegean”. (The Flow of History. (2007).

The Delian League showed military victories such as Eion, the Thracian Chersonese, and the Battle of Eurymedon all which were against the Persian forces.

The Delian League was also prosperous economically and politically, notably: -piracy went down in the Aegean -Inter-city trade grew -new coin was created, the Athenian Silver -taxation became centralized -more promotion towards democracy

The Flow of History. (2007). Retrieved from http://www.flowofhistory.com/units/birth/3/FC23 Cartwright, M. (2019, September 19). Delian League. Retrieved from https://www.ancient.eu/Delian_League/ 267 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Erin Morris (Instructor) - Sunday, 16 February 2020, 11:14 AM Hi Shamir, Thank you for sharing your response! If you were to discuss Greek history with someone, they most likely would be able to tell you that Athens was one of the cities in Greece, and that it had some of the most fabulous examples of Greek architecture still known today. People visualize the Parthenon when they think of Greek temples. Do you find it interesting to learn that Athens came by those treasures and funded its "Golden Age" in a way that led to its downfall, ultimately?

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In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Abraham Tucker - Sunday, 16 February 2020, 7:42 PM Hello Colleague. Well said and explain on how successful the Delian league was. I like how your explanation was short and precise about how powerful the Delian where in every aspect. Great work though

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In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Dionysios Mastavralis - Monday, 17 February 2020, 3:35 PM Hello Shahir, your description of the Delian League, is very good and you have outlined the most important aspects of this alliance. I agree with you that was successful for its initial purpose which was to defend the country against the Persian invasion, however, it was dissolved and caused the outbreak of the Peloponnesian War. 55 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Tavil Land - Monday, 17 February 2020, 9:05 PM Great post on Delian League, your answer is very well explained and easy to understand. 15 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Isaac Nyamadi - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 11:46 AM Hi Aslam, it's nice to read about the darlian league from your perspective. I think Athenians didn't realise how dangerous the darlian league would be to the survival of Athens. I think we should all learn from this. craving too much power would only lead to our downfall. 48 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Shahir Aslam Re: Week 3: Delian League by Tenzin Choegyal - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 11:41 PM Hello Shahir, In your opinion, apart from the war against Sparta forces, what could led to the fall of Delian league. Do you think Athens could have done better in their governance or policies in regards to payment of silver in the treasury. What could be the different interest field that members of league actually felt was left out that resulted in further resentment? Thank you Regards Tenzin 68 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Erin Morris (Instructor) Re: Week 3: Delian League by Rahel Graf - Saturday, 15 February 2020, 3:45 PM The Delian League The Delian League was established in 478 BCE when the Greek city-states were faced with the threat of an invading Persian Empire. Apparently the Persians had already conquered some parts of Eastern Greece when some other city-states formed this alliance (Cartwright, 2016). Cartwright (2016) mentions that it was more than 300 city-states that joined the League while Correa (2018) states that it was around 200. In any case, a substantial amount of city-states united together against a common enemy and their numbers seemed to change over time. Correa (2018) further explains that when this League was formed, the power was distributed equcally with Athens only being an ‘unofficial’ leader. However, the accomplished victories encouraged Athens to dominate the other city-states, which eventually culminated in the Peloponnesian War in 404 BCE (Cartwright, 2016). The age of the Delian League came to an end as Athens was defeated by Sparta and its allies. Cartwright (2016) mentions the battle of Eurymedon in 466 BCE as one of the most famous military victories of the Delian League against the invading Persian armies. However, besides achieving military successes, the League also had positive influences on the economy and politics. As piracy on the Aegean Sea was dramatically decreased, trade flourished (Cartwright, 2016). During this time, Athens was rebuilt and massive construction works such as the Parthenon were built. Another interesting note about the Delian League mentioned by Cartwright (2016) is that its name is actually a modern one, though tied to the fact that the treasury was located on the sacred island called Delos. Correa (2018) adds that records about the actions of the alliance included: (1) the decisions of which cities had to provide money and which had to provide ships, (2) there was an initial payment of 460 talents, (3) the treasury

would be on Delos and (4) the assembly would gather in the Temple at Delos. Over time, however, the ‘capital’ of the League was moved to Athens, and consequently most of the funds also found their ways into Athenian pockets. This obviously resulted in major disagreements and conflicts. Although the Delian League was finally ‘defeated’, it has achieved some notable victories. In the beginning when it was established, its aim was to form a united Greece against the foreign armies of the Persian empire. And so - in its initial purpose - the Delian League was very successful. However, as time went on an internal challenges arose between the Greek city-states themselves, it seems that the Delian League was powerless (or maybe misplaced its powers) in keeping the unity. After enjoying a series of successes, the Delian League failed at keeping the internal peace and was defeated from within.

References Cartwright, M. (2016, March 4). Delian League – Ancient History Encyclopedia. Retrieved from https://www.ancient.eu/Delian_League/ Correa, M. (2018, September 19). The Rise and Fall of the Delian League. Retrieved from https://classicalwisdom.com/politics/economics/rise-fall-delian-league/

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In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Erin Morris (Instructor) - Sunday, 16 February 2020, 11:14 AM HI Rahel Thanks for sharing your response to this question. The Delian League was an alliance of city-states after the Persian Wars to protect against future attacks by the Persians and free Greek prisoners of war. Athens developed into the strongest polis in the alliance and began to form its "empire" out of those poleis. What was the result of this tension and dissent? How did the actions of Athens lead up to the Peloponnesian Wars? 76 words PermalinkShow parentReply

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by Rahel Graf - Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 9:55 AM What I understood from the reading is that historians are still not exactly sure what started the Peloponnesian War, and there seem to be various aspects involved that culminated and thus triggered the war. I can imagine that this League started with a rather strong sense of 'unity' as they faced a common enemy and this threat somehow put them in 'the same shoes'. However, as this threat disappeared and each one went about their 'normal business', their common ground also vanished and they probably no longer saw the need of this League as each one was now focus on their individual goals again. And since Athens seemed to take the lead, gaining power and spending general funds on themselves, other city-states viewed this with dissent and this tension obviously grew. Athens somehow provoked the other city-states by it's action - it's claim on power and spending common money for their own building projects. I can imagine that by this, initial agreements of the League were broken and thus Athens almost openly challenged the other city-states. 175 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Abraham Tucker - Sunday, 16 February 2020, 7:45 PM Hello Rahel, Great post and explanation on how the Delian was found and defeated, and how they won successful battles. Your explanation was on point and your references where precise. Great work. 32 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Kwasi Agyeman - Monday, 17 February 2020, 8:28 PM I didn't even think of the fact that the Delian league was named after the city-state where the money was kept. I think money and it's use and misuse was a central factor in how Athens was able to strengthen its hold on the Delian league and it was the major cause of dissension among the league's less powerful members 60 words PermalinkShow parentReply

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Re: Week 3: Delian League by Tavil Land - Monday, 17 February 2020, 9:09 PM Good Post! The Athens grew strongly into the alliance's. 9 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Kandus Ball - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 7:35 PM Hi Rahel, Thanks for sharing a detailed history of the formation of the Delian League. Its a shame that the city-states in Greece were so divided. Their unity really created a powerful force, and helped propel more intellectual passtimes than war in its Golden Age. Nice work! 47 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Zain Ezazi - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 7:57 PM Hi Rahel, Great post! After reading about the debates among historians about the member states, I thought about discussing about how out of those huge memberships only 31 members actually went to fight the wars against the Persians https://youtu.be/mzGVpkYiJ9w. Why do you think the number was so small. 51 words PermalinkShow parentReply

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by Matthew Broman - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 10:56 PM Very well written and thorough discussion post. You do a great job of explaining the chronology of the major successes and ultimate failures of the Delian League in its goal to protect the Greek city-states from outside enemies. 38 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Rahel Graf Re: Week 3: Delian League by Tenzin Choegyal - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 11:47 PM Hello Rahel, I somehow felt that core information that needs to be highlighted were not highlighted properly. Citations were obviously correct but not necessarily you have to mention all, based on critical thinking you can be more of what led to what and what were the consequences. Another thing in order to improve assignment is to write and contrast about the different ideologies and conflicting ideas of ancient Greek historians, what would your stance be and based on what, things like that. Delian league lasted until 431 BC when Peloponnesian war began, my question is what were the main causes and reasons Athens were humbled from Spartan army, what led to their defeat? Thank you Regards Tenzin 117 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Erin Morris (Instructor) Re: Week 3: Delian League by Abraham Tucker - Saturday, 15 February 2020, 8:50 PM Explain how successful the Delian League was. How does one-gauge Success, and let’s immediate follow up with the question: success for whom? The Athenian situation was dire at the end of the First Persian War. Victory comes at a great cost, and the land was laid to waste following the War in 478 B.C.E. The Delian League was born out of the need for the Greeks to defend themselves against another backlash from the Persians. As a team they stood a better chance than as independent city-states. The formation of the league ensured that all Greeks were protected from the outside threat (Butler. 2007 FC23, p.p. 2, 3). So, the league was formed to unify and create equality. Their original choice of leadership was the Spartans, whom were too busy defend the Country at large - as they were always on the virtual brink-of-war with their slaves the helots (Butler. 2007 FC23, p.p. 3). So, the Athenians took the opportunity to head up the Delian League - and from their perspective - they were winning. Before you knew it - money that came from the league was helping plug the holes in their defences, the navy grew, walls were erected and in next to no time - Athens was on the map. Then Greed got the better

of the Athenians - and here is where it turns (Butler. 2007 FC23, p.p. 5-6). The Athenians become oppressive and bullied the smaller states into giving more money. Instead of aiding their allies who built this city, they thought themselves better and built Athens as the centre of all attention. They even went so far as to colonize (like England did many years later) smaller states. Athens grew from strength to strength - but the league was divided (Butler. 2007 FC23, p.p. 7). In conclusion, The opportunity that arose from the Leagues creation gave birth to Athens’s Golden age. And yet, if the Spartans took the opportunity that was given to them first world history may have been very, very different. In my opinion the league was a failure, it could have unified the Greek states, but rather fuelled the greed of one city-state - Athens. References: Butler, C. (2007). The Ancient Greeks. The Flow of History. http://www.flowofhistory.com/units/birth/3/ 379 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Abraham Tucker Re: Week 3: Delian League by Tavil Land - Monday, 17 February 2020, 9:17 PM Good post and yes, The Delian League arose out of the Greeks' need to protect themselves For yet another Persian reaction. 21 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Abraham Tucker Re: Week 3: Delian League by Rahel Graf - Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 10:00 AM Hi Abraham, good post, thanks! You have a way of explaining by telling a story that is catching one's attention :) You explained well why and how the Delian League was formed. Do you think at that stage, the city states only had the Persian war in mind or did they already think that they would like to continue this League permanently? I mean if the League was established only as a measure against the Persians, it succeeded in its initial purpose. However, if it was supposed to bring lasting unity to the Greek city-states, well, yes... it definitely failed... 99 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Abraham Tucker Re: Week 3: Delian League by Zain Ezazi - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 8:08 PM Hi Abraham, I agree with your point, Athens did seem to get selfish after the threat of Persians attack has finished. I then think to myself had it not been this greed, we might not have the Parthenon and other great icons in Athens today. Do you think it is justifiable. 51 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Abraham Tucker Re: Week 3: Delian League by Shahir Aslam - Wednesday, 19 February 2020, 9:37 PM Well put. The Delian league seemed to be more powerful than anticipated. I wonder if any movies were made from such an era.

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In reply to Erin Morris (Instructor) Re: Week 3: Delian League by Funke Damilare - Sunday, 16 February 2020, 4:56 AM The Delian League (Peloponnesian League led by Sparta) was like a two-face coin a big success in a part of a century and a failure later on. After a long period of wars between the Persian Empire and the Greek cities, a coalition or alliance known as Delian League formed under the command of Athens, bringing together all the Greek cities “Athens was the leader of the Delian League” (Brand, n.d, 28). No one can deny the fact that the Delian League under the leadership of Athens stopped the Persian Empire from spreading all over the area, and there the Athenian Empire grew and its stability increased significantly. Shortly after the association establishment, Athens began using the marine union for its purposes. This behavior has often led to a deepening dispute between Athens and the weaker alliance members “From now on, other “allies” were expected to contribute only silver and not ships” (Brand, n.d, 28). Peloponnesian War exploded between the

league-union due to the domination of the Athenian on the Delian League leading to a dissolution between them "The Peloponnesian wars would eventually humble Athens and bleed all of Greece dry" (Brand, n.d, 28). The successful major goals of the league were preparing for the future invasions, revenge from the Persian Empire and organizing war spoils. The unsuccessful part was the Athenian's ruling style over the league and their greediness. References Brand, P. J. (n.d.). Athens & Sparta: Democracy vs. Dictatorship. 244 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Funke Damilare Re: Week 3: Delian League by Erin Morris (Instructor) - Monday, 17 February 2020, 9:19 AM HI Funke, Thanks for responding here! As time went on Athens used the Delian League to their own advantage in becoming richer and more powerful. As the Athenians had the greater navy and the bigger army they were by default able to lead the league and exert their will and authority over the other league members. Athens was able to become an empire with these other members being forced at times to pay tribute. No offensive action could be taken without Athens say so and the treasurers of the riches of the league were appointed by Athens. The leader of the Leagues forces was an Athenian. The Delian League was used by Athens to further her own interests. Basically Athens was able to manipulate the other League members in such a way that they became an Empire in the Aegean. 140 words PermalinkShow parentReply

In reply to Funke Damilare Re: Week 3: Delian League by Rahel Graf - Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 10:06 AM Hi Funke, thanks for your contribution on this week's discussion. I agree with you that the League was successful in the following wars with the Persian empire. It is interesting that Athens followed a democratic rule within itself but did not attempt to make ...